![]() ![]() Just from a gardening perspective if there’s a branch that’s supposed to grow fruit and you see its not, then you remove it because its taking nutrients away from branches that do bear fruit. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.īranches that don’t abide aren’t “lifted up” they’re “taken away” They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. This idea is consistent with Romans 11:19-21 Which is also consistent with chapter 14:15 if you love me keep my commandments. Being saved is what connects us but obedience is what brings abiding. Verse 10 gives us the terms of “abiding” “If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love” obedience brings about abiding. Why would he even mention a branch if they aren’t even part of the vine to begin with? Branches that don’t bear fruit are thrown away. Verse 5 fruit grows on branches that are abiding in Him. Verse 2 points out that there are branches that don’t bear fruit and then there are branches that do bear fruit. I think the reason for that is that in the greek its not airo, the word is airie (it does come from that root word airo), but when that form of that word is used in other contexts it’s used as “tear away” or “take away”Īside from word play if you look at the whole context of this passage it’s about those that abide in Him and those that don’t. When you look at some of a wide variety of translations, I haven’t seen one yet that translates it as “lifts up”. I’m on board with having different translations, I can’t speak to the exact reasons why different ones have been made, but the translators do have the goal of getting the message of the original language through. ![]() Here’s just a few of my thoughts, take them as you will lol. We probably will need to just agree to disagree and if that’s what it is then that’s okay. So good news! If, by chance, we good trees are not bearing good fruit for a time, we are not going to be cut off, but rather we will be lifted up. Christians LIVE IN CHRIST (and He lives in us), and it is impossible for us not to ABIDE in Him if we are believers. ![]() Abide is NOT a HUMAN EFFORT or a TRY HARDER word. Side Note: regarding this word ‘abide’ in these verses in John 15. But you, as a human, even a Christian, produce bad fruit all the time. The Spirit can NOT produce even one bad fruit. It’s referring only to what comes from the Spirit. It’s because the fruit is not a human work. Wait, how can that be? How can it be impossible for a Christian (good tree) not to produce bad fruit? Simple. not only is it IMPOSSIBLE for a Christian to bear good fruit on our own, but according to Matthew 7:18 it’s also IMPOSSIBLE for you to bear BAD FRUIT!Ī good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. That’s why verse 4 tells us we CAN’T bear fruit on our own….because you don’t have the ability to do it. It was a common practice for a vinedresser to stretch the vine on an arbor or use some other means of raising it to the air and sun. This lifting up of branches actually causes them to start to produce fruit again. He LIFTS UP every branch IN ME that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes. So, in context, what this verse really should say is: The Greek word here is “ airo” and it can be translated as ‘cut off’, ‘removed’, or, I believe more correctly as ‘take up’, and ‘to raise’.ĭefinition:I raise, lift up, take away, remove. What if the bible translators simply did a poor job of interpreting the Greek word in its true context? However, I don’t see how you can get away from this translation meaning a Christian who stops producing fruit is ‘cut off’ and in that context, thrown into hell. So, they try and explain this verse away by twisting it to have a different meaning. The majority of us do NOT believe in losing salvation, including most bible commentators and translators. Side Note: Some translations say ‘take away’. So, does this mean that the Christian (who is IN CHRIST) is now being cut off and is going to hell? This verse in John 15:2 identified this person as every branch ‘IN ME’. He CUTS OFF every branch IN ME that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes Many Christians read John 15:2 and ask us ‘does this apply to us and does God cut off branches and throw them away if we don’t produce fruit’? Note: At the 2:25 mark of the above video I intended to say ‘We do not believe in Losing salvation” John 15:2 Explained – Does God Cut Off Branches With No Fruit? ![]()
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